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nygent
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Nov 22, 2011, 8:19 AM
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2003 Montana -Overheat Spike (occasional so far]
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2003 Pontiac Montana AWD
3.4L
102k miles
Over past two weeks have had two occasions where engine temp gauge quickly spiked. 2nd time dashboard warning message of Hot Coolant Temp.
My guess is faltering thermostat. Did briefly get a P0134 and P0135 Engine Code (O2 Sensor?) But no other codes.
Plan to drain and replace coolant and replace thermostat. Should I replace water pump while doing all of this? Any other thoughts? Should I replace with same temp thermostat or use different temp stat?
Will need to remove crossover pipe which passes in front of thermostat housing. Any suggestions or thoughts on its removal.
[EDIT-old post suggested using box wrenches and not removing crossover as back bolts had to reach. Anyone know housing bolt head size, 7..10mm? Thx]
Also. I would likely need to pull engine forward to replace water pump. And I am also going to replace plugs and wireset at same time.
Anyone have procedure needed to pull engine forward? Any diagrams appreciated. Or tips, tricks or suggestions. And what pound strength strap should I purchase to hold engine forward while working on it?
1. Thermostat and/or Water Pump replacement?
2. Engine forward procedure (strap needed)
3. Crossover pipe removal.
4. Water pump diagram, procedure.
5. Any other tips, tricks or suggestions appreciated.
Thanks.
(This post was edited by nygent on Nov 22, 2011, 8:34 AM)
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Hammer Time
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Nov 22, 2011, 8:36 AM
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I really doubt your issue is with the thermostat. It sounds like it has air pockets due to a leak. That engine is notorious for intake gasket leaks. I would fill and pressure test the system first.
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nygent
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Nov 22, 2011, 9:46 AM
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Thanks. Will topoff coolant. After reading about all the problems and class_action suits on gasket issues....
What's the difficulty level in a DIY job if I needed to replace upper intake gasket
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Nov 22, 2011, 10:20 AM
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It's probably about a 6 out of 10
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Nov 22, 2011, 11:03 AM
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It turns into a 10/10 if you leave a rag under the intake or get the push rods switched.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Nov 22, 2011, 2:01 PM
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Over if you overtorque the rocker arm bolts so the threads crack & the bolts pull out ( a good reason to not even take the rockers off)
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nygent
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Nov 25, 2011, 3:58 PM
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(Back to cooling problem)
Filled reservoir....ran heat full blast with reservoir open...got some air out]
(Dumb question)...how do I 'pressure test' system?
Its now to where while drivng temp is fine but once stopped and idling temp rises to redline.....still not always but happening bit more it seems.
No leaks observed...thanks
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It may be harder than that to get the air out of that engine. We use vacuum to do it.
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Ah....drat...so sounds as if its still likely an air in system issue causing overheat......and yeah....we just put heat on full blast (including rear heat) and let it run with reservoir cap open.....without any type of vacuum to do otherwise.....only option for now is to keep doing as we have...unless someone has an idea....thanks
(Or if ultimately we need to replace intake gaskets......am contemplaying signup to allldatadiy for procedure)
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Nov 25, 2011, 4:30 PM
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It tends to pocket in the back head right near the temp gauge sender and it's hard to get out. You can't really leave the cap off because it relies on the pressure to raise the boiling point. What you might try is to fill it all the way, put the cap on and drive it a couple miles, then park it until totally cold and then top off the coolant again. keep repeating this until it doesn't take any more.
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Nov 25, 2011, 6:58 PM
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Thanks....is there some type of bleeder valve? Read on another forum about earlier model montana where it had bleeder somewhere near water pump.
Another suggestion was raising front of van then bleeding it with cap off using funnel in radiator filled with coolant. Apparently running heat while doing this and using bleeder to ciphon off any air. Repeating once or twice making sure funnel remains filled with enough coolant.
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Nov 25, 2011, 7:03 PM
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That stuff isn't going to do it on this one. The bleeders will help if it has them but they aren't in the right place to get it all.
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Have you checked to make sure the fans or coming on?
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