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dr.donut
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Dec 17, 2011, 3:13 PM
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E 350 eyewittness
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I've checked out this ford truck in person and it hardly ran at all, guy insisted on new gas filter, did that, replaced clogged air filter, pitted distributor cap and rotor, cleaned black sooty plugs, checked one plug wire at 7000 ohms. ran good at start up but would die unless pedal was feathered, I will suggest a manifold vacuum check and fuel pressure check next and see if he's into it, are there any suggestions as he may want to buy parts instead of performing these tests, I'm just trying to help, thanks
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Hammer Time
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:16 PM
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We never suggest buying parts over testing. You'll probably need a scan tool but I couldn't tell you because you didn't include the year or engine size. I'll check my crystal ball.
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Sidom
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:18 PM
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It sounds like you're doing the work & he is your customer???
If a customer doesn't want to pay diag time and prefers to just install what ever part they think is bad, thats fine and you can do that. You just need to make it perfectly clear that if that part doesn't fix the problem, they still owe for the part and installation.
Just be sure not to get caught into confirming their "guess" without checking it out......Once you do that they will put the diag on you if it doesn't work....
After they turn down the diag and say what they think is the problem, the sentence always ends with "What do you think?"......If you agree with them, now (in their mind) the diag is on you and if it doesn't fix it, it's your problem....... The answer to that question is always " I don't know, it could be bad, _____ go bad all the time, but I wouldn't know for sure unless I checked it out"
(This post was edited by Sidom on Dec 17, 2011, 4:19 PM)
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zmame
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:45 PM
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Also would help if you posted a engine size and year of the van
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dr.donut
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Dec 18, 2011, 8:24 AM
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this is a 5.8 93 ford truck, the cilltons manual said you can get codes from the dash, what kind of info besides codes would a scan tool give?,
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Discretesignals
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Dec 18, 2011, 1:22 PM
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If i am correct, there is no data stream capability with a scan tool plugged into the VIP on the earlier EEC IV systems. There may have been data stream capability on the last of the EEC IVs, but I haven't run into one yet or know which years and vehicles had the capability. The only things you could do were KOER test, KOEO test, cylinder power balance, clear codes, and wiggle test and watch data on a high end scan tool if it was available.
If you wanted data stream information, you had to connect an interface between the ECA and the ECA's connector.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Dec 18, 2011, 1:33 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Dec 18, 2011, 1:41 PM
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There are plenty of EEC IVs with data stream. Some of the early ones didn't but most do.
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Hammer Time
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Dec 18, 2011, 2:05 PM
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Go try to rattle someone else.
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Discretesignals
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Dec 18, 2011, 2:11 PM
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Sorry, I was just asking a question for God's sake. I honestly don't know the answer as to when EEC IV had serial data stream capability and on which vehicles.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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dr.donut
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Dec 18, 2011, 3:06 PM
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Re: E 350 eyewittness
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I think it's lack of fuel, a lean condition , and will try to determine the bad info to the ecm
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zmame
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Dec 19, 2011, 5:43 AM
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With scan took you can get some live stream data I believe (stars scanner from ford), you can also do KOER, KOEO tests with it. But the data is very limited. Still some codes would help and year helps know what vintage of van your working on. Well have to go to work lol
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dr.donut
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Dec 20, 2011, 8:11 AM
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correct, it is a contractor my nephew works for, he said he needed a mech. and I need the $$ so I took the job, it's a 93 , 5.8,e350 pick-up. don't know why even napa assumed it was a van, but I told him it could be a number of things and you need test equipment and a technician, which I'm not, certainly not for what he's paying, I took off the throttle body and cleaned it up along with the aic and with the tps on the bottom I went and replaced it, then the 3/8 hose below the temp. sensor cracked and after replaceing that the nipple it goes to has a pinhole from rust, so now he has an attitude because it's not a perfect world,
it will run upon start up O.K but soon sputters and dies, if you feather the pedal it will kinda run, thats my story and I'm sticking to it, thanks for any help
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dr.donut
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Dec 21, 2011, 6:57 AM
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one thing brought to my attention is that the ciltons manual said if you pull the batt. cable off for more than 15 minutes a code 15 should be stored, I replaced the starter that happened to go bad during this process,and of course pulled the batt. cable yet no check engine light is on, a koeo has to be done , which I didn't do because the check light didn't come on for the short duration it would run, as I remember there is no test for the pcm, or is there, the owner can be described best as tony saprano with a bug up his @ $ $
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zmame
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Dec 21, 2011, 8:30 AM
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Well I with basics then if it starts fine sputters then dies I would suspect fuel pressure problem get a tester on it.
Engine running 30-45psi
engine off key on 35-45psi
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dr.donut
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Dec 22, 2011, 6:59 AM
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I went in this morning and told him I could check the computor to see if it responds, take 15 minutes, don't have to buy anything, , , the guy wouldn't look at me or say anything, the truck was on the lift, slanted, I guess he had " "miguile" look at it, the guy has no idea about these systems but won't listen, like others ,I assume (can't read minds) that he believes everyone is as stupid as he is, just another "great guy" , when I put an egg in his tank we'll see who knows what, thanks
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Hammer Time
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Dec 22, 2011, 10:14 AM
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This thread has run it's course.
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zmame
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Dec 22, 2011, 10:43 AM
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agreed, wasted my efforts for nothing lol
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