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seriousfreedom
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Feb 20, 2012, 8:42 PM
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is there anyway to remove the ignition cylinder if you don't have the key????
i had a key made for a 1996 mustang and the key wont turn and would rather just replace the ignition barrel rather than taking the chance on having another key made that may or may not work
does anyone have any suggestions????
i have replaced one on a 1990 ford ranger at one time and had to just drill the crap out of the old cylinder till it would turn to release the pin to pull it out i was hoping if there was an easier way of doing this any thoughts or suggestions would greatly be appreciated
(This post was edited by seriousfreedom on Feb 20, 2012, 8:47 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 20, 2012, 8:56 PM
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Sounds like you didn't have THE key to duplicate so how did you get one made? They don't make it real quick and easy to replace a whole cylinder or any turd would just do that to take off in the car,
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:07 PM
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well its actually my step sisters car who is out of town at the moment and she had a key made and sent the duplicate key. the duplicate key worked fine at first then it quit working so im not really sure if the duplicate key is at fault or if the cylinder just locked up.
just trying to come up with some options if the original key doesnt work on getting the cylinder replaced
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:16 PM
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Re: ignition cylinder
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At first blush - sounds like the duplicate key is the issue or perhaps some WD-40 or similar sprayed in there may help or if steering wheel is turned hard it's fighting with the wheel lock so jockey the wheel,
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:25 PM
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Re: ignition cylinder
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ive done all that
i do know she has been having problems with it not wanting to come out of park at times not knowing how that all works other than having to push the brakein order to take it out of part is that all connected somehow ignition cylinder and gear shift lock??
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:35 PM
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The shift lock prevents taking the shifter out of park but shouldn't stop you from turning a key. If brake lights work that usually works or could be a solenoid but again, key would turn so this probably is a key problem or the lock cylinder,
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:45 PM
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ok any suggestions on getting the cylinder out without having to drill the whole thing out?????
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:56 PM
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Could be all different than some I've dealt with. I'd find an original key if you can possibly get one and if no luck then that key is NG now anyway except for the door and you should be able to get a matched set if wanted,
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 20, 2012, 9:58 PM
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so the only alternative is to drill the cylinder out till it turns so i can push the retaining pin
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 21, 2012, 1:40 AM
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Probably yes. Here was something out there and take it with a grain of salt as this spot below can be WRONG but shows the idea that I think fits for this car..........
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CAUTION All models covered by this guide are equipped with a Supplemental Restraint System (SRS), which uses an air bag. Whenever working near any of the SRS components, such as the impact sensors, air bag module, steering column or instrument panel, disconnect the negative, then the positive battery cables and wait at least one minute. Disconnecting the battery cables and waiting one minute will allow any residual power in the system to drain. Failure to properly disconnect both battery cables may result in accidental air bag deployment, which could easily result in severe personal injury or death. Also, never attempt any electrical diagnosis or service to the SRS components and wiring; this work should only be performed by a qualified automotive technician.
REMOVAL & INSTALLATION
See Figures 1 and 2 - To prevent accidental air bag deployment, disconnect the negative battery cable, then the positive battery cable to allow residual energy in the air bag system to drain.
- Remove the steering column shroud(s).
- Insert the key into the ignition switch, then rotate the ignition key lock cylinder to the RUN position.
- Place a 1 / 8 in. (3mm) diameter wire pin or small drift punch in the hole in the casting surrounding the lock cylinder, and depress the retaining pin while pulling out on the lock cylinder to remove it from the column housing.
  
Fig. Fig. 1: To remove the ignition lock cylinder, turn the lock cylinder to the RUN position ...
Fig. Fig. 2: ... depress the retaining pin and draw the lock cylinder out of the housing
To install:
- Turn the lock cylinder to the RUN position and depress the retaining pin. Insert the lock cylinder into its housing in the lock cylinder casting.
- Make sure that the cylinder is fully seated and aligned in the interlocking washer before turning the key to the OFF position. This action will permit the cylinder retaining pin to extend into the hole in the lock cylinder housing.
- Using the ignition key, rotate the cylinder to ensure correct mechanical operation in all positions.
- Connect the positive, then the negative battery cables and check for proper operation in P or N . Also make sure that the start circuit cannot be actuated in D or R positions and that the column is locked in the LOCK position.
- Install the trim shrouds.
*********************** That's the best I could find for free for info on this. It doesn't discuss how to get the dang thing to turn but it guessing that you can with a key now! These things are doable just use common sense and try not to break anything which just makes it a pest worse than the plain job. Good luck, Tom
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Hammer Time
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Feb 21, 2012, 4:14 AM
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The short answer here is NO, you cannot remove the lock without the key in the "ON" position. The pin has to be drilled out and that has to be done very careful as to not damage the soft aluminum around it.
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Discretesignals
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Feb 21, 2012, 5:49 AM
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How do we now that you aren't trying to learn how to steal cars if your looking for alternative ways to defeating a lock cylinder?
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Hammer Time
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Feb 21, 2012, 7:19 AM
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As dumb crooks go, this would rank pretty high if that's what he's up to........LOL
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 21, 2012, 12:03 PM
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ha ha ha no im not trying to steal cars i love my children too much to do something like that
just trying to get this car fixed for my step sister and was just wondering if there were any alternatives to drilling out the cylinder to remove it
i had to do this one other time on one my vehicles after my kids and lost my keys and it was a pain in the arse
was just hopeing there was a secret to this that i was unaware of
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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 21, 2012, 12:41 PM
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So right - most real thieves want in getting out of wherever fast no matter what they break!
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
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although a slide hammer would make quick work of the cylinder if executed properly
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Hammer Time
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Feb 21, 2012, 4:06 PM
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The retaining pin.
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seriousfreedom
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Feb 24, 2012, 2:15 PM
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cool thanks for your time hammer time
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