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134A with Maxifridge LPG???
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thereverend
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Jul 21, 2012, 12:22 PM
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134A with Maxifridge LPG???
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Can a system that is 134A be charged with stuff called maxifridge or R12 aka LPG.. also noticed when my friend was doing it that there was a smell like new carpet around the area and i figured that this was not the stuff he was putting in as the label said LPG on the tank but LPG has a smell of rotten eggs correct?
(This post was edited by thereverend on Jul 21, 2012, 12:22 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Jul 21, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Hope your friend isn't using propane as a refrigerant. Do you mean Maxi-frig? Maxi-frig is a blend refrigerant and is illegal to use in automotive systems. It's not on the EPA's SNAP list. If the manufacture of the ac system recommends using R134A or accepts retrofitting to another type of refrigerant, than you should follow the manufacture's recommendation. People who do that kind of stuff piss off a lot of repair shops and expose themselves and other people to hazards that can kill or cause injury. If that someone brings their vehicle in for repair that can contaminate shop's source, everyone else that comes in for ac repair could have their systems contaminated. Our shop is small and my boss doesn't want to fork out the money for a refrigerant analyzer. I wouldn't be surprised if our source is contaminated and all the vehicle we serviced are too. What do I do as a tech? There is nothing I can do about it, because I am not the shop owner with control of funding. Refrigerant control is not high on the list as a problem that needs to be addressed, so if you have your vehicle's ac worked on and end up with contaminated refrigerant, write your congressman.
EPA requests information on the refrigerants Enviro-Safe, Red Tek, Maxi-Frig, ES-12A, and Auto Cool. EPA has received numerous inquiries regarding the SNAP acceptability of the above refrigerants for use in motor vehicle air conditioners (MVACs). Materials disseminated through mailings and the internet (Air Docket A-91-42, item IX-B-60) have made consumers question whether the products listed above are acceptable substitutes under the SNAP program for CFC-12 (R12 or freon) and other ozone-depleting CFC-12 substitutes. Under Section 612(e) of the CAA, any person who produces a substitute for a CFC is required to submit information to EPA at least 90 days before the substitute is introduced into interstate commerce. The refrigerants listed above have not been submitted to EPA for review under the SNAP program. Therefore, the Agency believes that they cannot be sold as replacements for CFC-12 or other ozone-depleting CFC substitutes in MVACs. Additionally, based on advertising materials, Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDSs) and independent laboratory testing (Air Docket A-91-42, item IX-B-60), EPA believes the refrigerants listed above may be flammable hydrocarbon-based blends. In June 1995, flammable refrigerants were listed as unacceptable as substitutes for CFC-12 in MVACs because a comprehensive risk assessment on the use of flammable refrigerants had not been submitted to EPA (60 FR 31092). EPA welcomes the submission of such a risk assessment. However, until EPA receives sufficient information on the potential risks of flammable refrigerants in MVACs, all flammable refrigerants are unacceptable as substitutes for CFC-12 and ozone-depleting freon substitutes in MVACs, unless specifically listed as acceptable. Consumers should also be aware that the following 19 states ban the use of flammable refrigerants in MVACs: Arkansas, Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Washington, and the District of Columbia. For further information about flammable refrigerants, see EPA's web site (http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrig...hc12alng.html). EPA requests information on the composition and the flammability of Enviro-Safe, Red Tek, Maxi-Frig, ES-12A, and Auto Cool. We also would welcome any formal risk assessment on these refrigerants. Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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thereverend
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Jul 21, 2012, 1:39 PM
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Pritty sure it was NOT LPG but the can said LPG and the code on the can is for LPG but its not a LPG can its a can with a LIQUID and a GAS side.. I thought the stuff smelled like NEW CARPET not sure if that was the stuff or not but it sure did not smell like LPG, do you think if it were LPG it would SMELL like LPG and not new carpet? he said he got this stuff over 10 years ago.. so.. I dont know what it could be.. Do you?
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Discretesignals
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Jul 21, 2012, 1:54 PM
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If he is using a cylinder with liquid and gas valves, that is a recovery tank. Who knows what is in it. If your smelling the stuff, that means your breathing it. Not something I would want to be around if it is unknown. Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Hammer Time
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Jul 21, 2012, 1:56 PM
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It doesn't matter what it says on the container, it doesn't belong in your car. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jul 21, 2012, 1:59 PM
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The odor for flammable gases is added. Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG), Butane are used in small amounts in some countries to make oil flow with another refrigerant. Not the best idea out there. If 134a was called for I suggest using 134a which is restricted in some places for sale to the general public. Whatever the exact product the properties will be different and amounts of charge will vary. Will some tricks work? Yes but doesn't make them better than what it called for in correct amounts and totally illegal in many places, T
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