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2004 Chrysler Sebring issues shifting in gear
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marktheshark
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Feb 14, 2016, 10:09 AM
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2004 Chrysler Sebring issues shifting in gear
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2004 Chrysler Sebring Limited
2.7L w/ 94k miles
**Disclaimer** I'm not an auto-mechanic.
Hello!
Early last week (Monday) I got into my car and started expiring a troubling issue with what I believe is my transmission. When I initially started it up and put it into reverse nothing happened. I gave it some gas and I heard a whine before it very suddenly dropped into reverse and was able to back up. When I put it into drive it did the same thing, whined and then dropped into drive where i lurched forward and continued to to whine when trying to shift into a higher gear. I took it around the block and parked it, there was no noticeable sound or feeling when I was coming to a stop. Same issues when in drive or reverse however. I allowed the engine to warm up later in the day and tried again. Same thing. Checked the fluid and it seemed alright. It was a dark red color with no burnt smell.
The next day (Tuesday) I hoped online and did some research. I ended up replacing the gear shift solenoid, transmission filter, and refilled the lost transmission fluid with atf+4. I should probably note here when I pulled the pan off the old filter was kind of just floating in the pan. The magnet had some build up but nothing to terrible. Everything assembled I hoped in started it up and drove off. Worked great, no issues what so ever. Did so all week long. Drove about 60 miles all week, highway and city.
Yesterday (Saturday) I get in my car, I live in the Midwest and it got real cold, let it warm up for ten minutes go to pull away and it doesn't shift into gear. For both drive and reverse I had to give it some gas, it whines and then finally engages very begrudgingly and moves. I drive it around, no sounds when I slow and come to a stop but I have to give it some gas and it revs until about 3500 rpm - 4000 rpm before it'll shift. Never take it beyond 30 mph. Discouraged I park it.
Get in this AM (Sunday), same thing. No surprise. I take it a few blocks further and get to an area where there isn't a stop sign every street and just see what happens when I try to go above 30. First to gear changes it whines and shifts real hard, the third no whining, slides right in. Get to about 45 and then slow to a complete stop and sit for a minute. Hit the gas to move forward and no issues, shifts a little hard in the first two but beyond that feels ok. Drive around a bit seems a little rough but it working alright. I decided to get on the highway and take it a couple miles. On the on ramp I start from a complete stop and give it gas to get up to speed. The pedal wasn't to the floor but it was more oomph than I'd given it thus far. Shifts fine the entire way, no lurching, whining, or troubling noises. Drove it for about 20 min and had no more issues. So I brought it home and parked it. Dreading having to get in it again.
Not sure if this is cold related? I purchased this car in the spring of last year.
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kev2
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Feb 14, 2016, 1:18 PM
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Re: 2004 Chrysler Sebring issues shifting in gear
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Using the ATF4 shows you did read up - most wrongly opt for 'whatever'
Scan for codes yes even if light os off - its free easy fast most auto part stores will do as a customer service- post ALL the codes they get.
Recheck the trans fluid. when hot and after selecting all gears - lets be sure its full.
That will be the easy get started checks and may yield some ideas before really getting into trans checks- clutch volumes and overall pressures.
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gsferraro
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:15 PM
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kinda sounds like your filter is clogging up. Probably something coming apart inside the unit.
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marktheshark
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:19 PM
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Thanks for the reply kev2!
Had a chance to it down to get the codes ran this afternoon. The Sebring still performed as it did before. Rough at first but after it gets "warmed up" it works well. 2nd gear was a little rougher than Saturday however.
Anyway, checked the transmission fluid after it warmed it. It was a little low so I added half a quart so now its filled up.
The codes that I recieve are:
P0700 - module malfunction - transmission
P0846 - pressure sensor malfunction - transmission fluid
P0732 - gear 2 ratio incorrect
Just started back down the rabbit hole of research but what I've seen so far is related to the Transmission Control Module (TCM). I'm not sure if i'm barking up the right tree or not.
Thoughts?
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marktheshark
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:21 PM
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Just replaced the transmission filter. Fearing the worst and it is something inside.
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marktheshark
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:23 PM
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Just a thought - Could it be possible the replacement gear shift solenoid failed on me after a short amount of time like that?
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gsferraro
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Feb 15, 2016, 5:56 PM
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To see whats going on inside the unit, would need you to hook up a scan tool, go into data and get the clutch volume indexs or C.V.I Value, looking at these numbers you can actually see clutch wear, do you have a scan tool to get this data?
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marktheshark
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Feb 15, 2016, 6:34 PM
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I do not have scan tool to get the data. Do you have one you might recommend -or- what kind of place could i take it to have it scanned? Transmission shop i'm assuming. Would doing so possibly eliminate the idea that it is the transmission itself and not something outside of it; vice-versa.
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gsferraro
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Feb 16, 2016, 7:33 AM
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Sometimes trans shops have a free diagnostic check(i do) maybe call a local shop see if they do. Question, when you refer to the gear shift solenoid, do you mean the solenoid pack on the outside of the trans? The one code P0732 is a mechanically generated code, how is the 1-2 shift?
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marktheshark
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Feb 16, 2016, 8:03 AM
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I'll call around and try to find a shop today. When I refer to the gear shift solenoid I do mean the pack on the outside of the trans.
The part in question for reference: link deleted ................ not allowed
The shift from 1-2 is the "roughest". It'll whine and when the RPM's hit 3500-4000 it'll finally move in but its almost like a drop. Very sudden. Getting going initially in D/R is pretty rough but once its warmed up a little it performs better. Even then the 1-2 still jumps. Sometimes if I hold a stead speed during the 1-2 shift it feels like it will drop back down to 1 and then have a hard time shifting back up to 2.
(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Feb 16, 2016, 9:31 AM)
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gsferraro
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Feb 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
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If you can get the C.V.I Values great, have a feeling we are dealing with an internal problem.
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marktheshark
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Feb 16, 2016, 12:58 PM
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OK I found a shop that will run the codes for me. I'm going to head down there early Thursday morning. Will post them as soon as I have them.
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gsferraro
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Feb 16, 2016, 3:12 PM
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Ok great. then post codes and CVI values
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